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BLACKBEAST
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 Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:19 pm Post subject: engine help |
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right my landy is mostly used on road going to and from work but when it goes offroad it goes off good and proper and i want a good engine that has good pulling power on road and good for getin out of trouble in the mud and water 
your opinion is greatfully recived 
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1972 109" with an lt77 gearbox and a 2.25 desiel engine
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Stormin
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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How's your wallet  Fat = 200Tdi.  Thin = 2.5Td.  |
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BLACKBEAST
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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wats the rael difference between the two anyway i mean age is an obvius thing but other than that??
best place to get one from would be an idea to fellas 
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1983 88" with lots of bits missing
1972 109" with an lt77 gearbox and a 2.25 desiel engine
l reg disco 200tdi
what more do i want?????
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Stormin
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Price mainly and BHP. The 200 was designed for a turbo, while the 2.5 turbo is an add on. |
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BLACKBEAST
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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do the above engines fit an a series 3 gearbox thats my main concern i know the prima does as mort has told me about it but not sure about the 200tdi because a 300 wont
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1983 88" with lots of bits missing
1972 109" with an lt77 gearbox and a 2.25 desiel engine
l reg disco 200tdi
what more do i want?????
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lowcatjo
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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A lot of the conversions I have seen to the TDi have the Defender gearbox, more to cope with the extra power than for fitting, conversion plates etc.
My personal preference would be to go with a 4 cylinder diesel without turbo. Less power/torque, but less to go wrong. Also 'guaranteed' fairly straightforward fit.
With the TDi there is also the question of finding space to fit the intercooler etc.
I have also seen some very badly chopped up inner wings resulting from transplants of turbo diesels into series motors.
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madmort
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:26 am Post subject: |
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Well my choice was the Prima (well duh...  )... 
A good whop more powerful than the standard diesel and more economical...
The low down torque of a 200Tdi will turn your gearbox into shrapnel via a heavy right foot, longest I've heard a series gearbox last with a Tdi is 6 months 
The TD is renowned for being a problem child of the landy engines unless you really, really look after it apparently... 
I'm guessing from your options that your after a Turbo and not a N/A... shame as the 2.5NA seems the most reliable engine going... had a go in one and it was... well... ok I'd like the reliability plus a good boost of power... shame the TD wasn't it really otherwise I'd be fitting one myself... 
The choice as they say... is yours |
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BLACKBEAST
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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right the desicion has been made and im now the prode owner of the perkins prima engine
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1983 88" with lots of bits missing
1972 109" with an lt77 gearbox and a 2.25 desiel engine
l reg disco 200tdi
what more do i want?????
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CamoAl
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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I think you have made the right decision.
The prima has a legendary reputation for reliability. A lot of them have found the way out of montego's and into taxi's because of this.
MORT is the only person I know who has had problems, think he has been unlucky. |
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madmort
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Thank god I'm lucky in love otherwise I'd have jumped off a bridge by now...  |
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BLACKBEAST
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definatly happy been told at work to day that its a fantastic engine so once thats all bolted in i aint takin it back out its in there for life
have also been told that they dont half rattle and bang a bit now my boss told me this and i dont belive a word he says as he knows nothing about cars other than how to break them is this true about the engine not my boss ok
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1983 88" with lots of bits missing
1972 109" with an lt77 gearbox and a 2.25 desiel engine
l reg disco 200tdi
what more do i want?????
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DavidD90
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Youzz payzz your money and youzz takes your choice!
Prima might be a decent engine but the 200tdi is a brilliant engine!
Land-Rover had the choice available to them when they built the Disco but instead of making do with inadequate power, they choose to spend £000,000's developing the tdi instead.
There must have been a pretty good god dam reason why they didn't just make do with the parts bin like they usually do....incidently, the Disco used the old Maestro Van's rear door and frame assembly whilst leaving it's Prima engine well alone, I wonder why? |
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timmoore46
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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The first batch of TDI Disco engines had a habit of shedding their pulley wheels from cam shaft and main crank shaft ! The little key (woodruff key ? )that holds them in place fell out.
I know cos I had one.
VERY VERY expensive to fix the damage done! = many thousands! OUCH !
Performed great, but an economic disaster!
Landrover warrantee claimed at 45,000 the engine was mostly done for and wouln't pay out! B*******Ds
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DavidD90
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Yes Tim, they didn't they but there all fixed now and fitted correctly .....in exactly the same way that the early Turbo's on the 90 and 110's were failing....but now they too are ok.
When Land-Rover first sold the 90 and 110's with Turbo's on they claimed that this would be an era and a new beginning for reliability and strength from Land-Rover engines. The Army bought loads of them as did the construction industry but then things went "BANG"
Consequently it took the Army until the arrival of the 300tdi before they were willing to risk Land-Rovers claims again and as for the construction industry....why do you think you see so many Jap motors instead of Land-Rovers?
Land-Rover could well have gone bankrupt for that fiasco except for the fact that the HM Goverment stepped in with a financial plan to stop the rot! |
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timmoore46
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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Which bit failed? The Turbo or the Engine?
Who designed the Engine and who makes it? Lanrover Uk and Landrover Uk?
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Tim
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