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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:11 pm    Post subject: Changes to MOT Reply with quote
As the 110 is due for it's annual test, I was wondering if there is anything in the latest MOT revised rules that I am likely to fall foul of.
I believe oil leaks are now an MOT failure - the only time mine doesn't leak oil is when it has run out of the stuff.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Morning Big John. (Aslett?)
My 1975 Series 3 passed its MOT last Tuesday 5th June no problems. The new rules affect diesels more than petrol and as for oil leaks I don't think you should worry.
Yours will have to go through emissions test on a meter as far as I know. Historic vehicles are now visual but there should be no problems with the 2.5 petrol as it's a much cleaner engine than the 2.25.
From what I can gather this is the system. Pass, repair asap, repair immediately, fail and dangerous, do not drive.
Best of luck and let us know how it goes.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Good to know -I might be in with a chance then.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think any oil leak would have to be severe to warrant MOT failure, not a few drips but I can't see how it would be decided.
I've heard now that provided a vehicle has a V5C showing historic then that vehicle doesn't need an MOT even if one is due before an exemption declaration has been made. The MOT on my 1977 historic MG is due in September but I don't think I will test that out but I will have it tested. At least the garage I use has a tester who is knowledgeable about classics and their many foibles.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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At least the garage I use has a tester who is knowledgeable about classics and their many foibles.


That's half the battle isn't it. When we first moved to Wales I put the Landy into the local garage for it's MOT. The guy tried to fail it on slack trailing arm bushes. I then told him that they were BRAND NEW. I happened to have a new Land Rover metalastic bush and bolt on me - still in sealed bags. I opened them in front of him and showed him how they fitted. He gave me a pass. He also tried to test the brakes by running both wheels at the same time - The vehicle jumped off the rollers when the front wheels picked up.
Since then I have found another garage that actually knows about Land Rovers. [/quote]
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alan Drover wrote:
I think any oil leak would have to be severe to warrant MOT failure, not a few drips but I can't see how it would be decided.
I've heard now that provided a vehicle has a V5C showing historic then that vehicle doesn't need an MOT even if one is due before an exemption declaration has been made. The MOT on my 1977 historic MG is due in September but I don't think I will test that out but I will have it tested. At least the garage I use has a tester who is knowledgeable about classics and their many foibles.


Not quite - it's 40 years from the date of first use, providing it's not been 'significantly modified' - there's no connection between the VED status and the MOT status. Your '77 MG won't need an MOT.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Don't suppose I'll be able to pass a 200tdi off as a period replacement...………………..
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Not necessarily Paul. Starting on page 80 of the current issue number 62 of CLR is a four page article about modifications and what may or may not be considered acceptable for MOT exemption. There are a lot of very grey area and a Tdi conversion is one of them. Well worth a read.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I read on the gov website "significantly modified in the last 30 years was the wording". Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Found the link https://www.gov.uk/historic-vehicles
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have read the DVLA site advice before. The problem I have with the wording is:

no ‘substantial changes’ have been made to the vehicle in the last 30 years, for example replacing the chassis, body, axles or engine to change the way the vehicle works.



I don't think that putting a 200tdi in is changing the way the vehicle works - who decides on that?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm guessing but the first bit ( I think) is the important bit and the second just an example but who really knows with the Government Confused Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
If you read the full guidance (second link from above - link below) it confirms that a rechassis with an original pattern chassis (ie not a bitser on a shortened RR) is not a significant change.

It also says that an engine of a similar type with the same number of cylinders would not be considered a change... so theoretically a 200 / 300 TDi, which is a similar "basic engine" with a different capacity, should not be considered a significant change. (But it is a newer variant.) The manual also refers you to a "speak to an expert" link. That's where I'd go if I were unsure. (But I am convinced enough that my 1978 goes exempt this November Wink )

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/historic-classic-vehicles-mot-exemption-criteria/historic-classic-vehicles-mot-exemption-criteria
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oooh. And as regards oil leaks.

In simple terms a "misting" insufficient to cause a drip is an 'advisory' as was.

An oil leak "causing formation of a drip" is a fail, as was.

So. Old rag run around the underside immediately before presentation should do the trick Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
That’s my plan!
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